Zsuzsanna Szelenyi, Program Director of the CEU Democracy Institute Leadership Academy joined the Mark Leonard’s World in 30 Minutes podcast series of the European Council on Foreign Relations.

They discussed what freezing of EU-funds would mean for Hungary-EU relations and Hungary’s role in the EU, what new alliances Hungarian Prime Minister Orban is trying to foster among other illiberal governments in Europe, and how Hungary’s confrontational approach to Brussels could shape European foreign policy when it comes to Russia, and even China.