January 2022 marked two years since the novel coronavirus ‘COVID-19’ emerged in Wuhan, China. In this latest podcast for the RevDem Rule of Law section, Oliver Garner interviews Dr Joelle Grogan (Senior Lecturer in Law at Middlesex University, London and co-investigator in the Horizon 2020 RECONNECT project) about the legacy of the pandemic for the Rule of Law, democracy, and other constitutional values around the world.